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« Thread Started on May 20, 2012, 12:23pm » | |
I'm about to do a fresh install of 1.6 and I would to know the best way to update the OS after downloading the github updates.
The apps/scripts I'm especially interested in are:
SalineOS Backup
GrubDoctor
SalineOS Installer
localizesys
Package-Kit?
What are the "/home/user/SalineOS/Backup/DEBIAN" folders in SalineOS Backup/GrubDoctor all about?
I think the idea of a second backup/rescue partition is very good thinking! and changes things quite a bit. Well done that man. 
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| | Re: Best way to update a fresh SalineOS 1.6 instal
« Reply #1 on May 20, 2012, 1:00pm » | |
Maybe there will be SalineOS 1.7 soon? There was Squeeze 6.0.5 realeased lately 
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« Reply #2 on May 20, 2012, 1:33pm » | |
Hi Petrek, hope things are good with you.
1.7 would be good but what I've got would move over very easily, just a couple of folders, so I'm going to do a fresh install so I want to update it correctly.
I've been updating the rescue iso I made for the mint users and I'd like it to have a good installer, backup and grub doctor.
Regards the project I was talking about ages ago, I've just about thought things through and I think it's time I put the tables/fields into a database. I'll install Kylix I think, it doesn't matter what really as you can export/import the data into something else, I just want a simple IDE.
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« Reply #3 on May 20, 2012, 1:50pm » | |
Frankly, I have one big problem. I've won a book in dedoimedo's contest, and I need to place a review at amazon, but I can't, I never bought and can't buy anything from them. I'm looking for some way to go around this, but if there's none, I would need to ask someone for putting this review.
If you do a fresh 1.6 install you have an update icon on the panel, it's preferable method to use it. Also you can wait for some more testing of these applications, it's in the progress And you know what I think about database, use mysql, it works both on linux and windows
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« Reply #4 on May 20, 2012, 2:03pm » | |
Quote:| I would need to ask someone for putting this review. |
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I've never bought from them but if I can help you tell me how.
Quote:Isn't that server based?
I need a stand alone app.
Does the update button update from the git folder?
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« Reply #5 on May 20, 2012, 2:12pm » | |
May 20, 2012, 2:03pm, ukbrian wrote:| I've never bought from them but if I can help you tell me how. |
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Thanks, I'm not sure how, still looking
Quote:Isn't that server based?
I need a stand alone app. |
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Use sqlite then, it's compatible (almost ) For what do you need it? What do you want to storage there, and how exactly you will use it? Sometimes using simple text file is the best database
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I don't think so, do you need some script for automating this install?
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| | Re: Best way to update a fresh SalineOS 1.6 instal
« Reply #6 on May 20, 2012, 2:38pm » | |
Quote:I'll have something to show you soon, easier than me trying to explain. but what would I do with the contents of /home/user/share/applications
Quote:| I don't think so, do you need some script for automating this install? |
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I think a script for new users that installs yad, git and then does the git business and then does the updates. That would help so many new comers to SalineOS if it's possible.
New 1.6 install just completed so I'm off to do some pruning back of apps.
Thanks for your help, if a script is likely I'll hold off with the git business so I can test it out.
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« Reply #7 on May 20, 2012, 2:56pm » | |
May 20, 2012, 2:38pm, ukbrian wrote:| I'll have something to show you soon, easier than me trying to explain. |
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I feel terribly old, I prefer reading over watching
Quote:| but what would I do with the contents of /home/user/share/applications |
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I don't know, I don't have this directory
Quote:| I think a script for new users that installs yad, git and then does the git business and then does the updates. That would help so many new comers to SalineOS if it's possible. |
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Well, it's git business, it can break things sometimes, not a good thing for a newcomer In linux everything is possible, but I need to decide yet, if it's good or bad
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New 1.6 install just completed so I'm off to do some pruning back of apps.
Thanks for your help, if a script is likely I'll hold off with the git business so I can test it out. |
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You're welcome. This script should not be too difficult, you can try to write it for yourself, if you'll not succeed, I'll help you, to morrow
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| | Re: Best way to update a fresh SalineOS 1.6 instal
« Reply #8 on May 20, 2012, 3:10pm » | |
Quote:| I feel terribly old, I prefer reading over watching |
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I'm an illiterate 69 YO 
I know I'll do an animated giff with a 5 sec delay. 
I'm interested in folk from windows who have never been near gparted or shrunk win7 installs
I'm thinking that scripts are in effect the cmd line args that a gui passes.
Quote:| What are the "/home/user/SalineOS/Backup/DEBIAN" folders in SalineOS Backup/GrubDoctor all about? |
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I'm still unsure what these are about so I'm not updating yet.
Quote:| I don't know, I don't have this directory |
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sorry /user/share/applications
Quote:SalineOS Backup
GrubDoctor
SalineOS Installer
localizesys |
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are the ones I use a lot so good feedback ready for Wheezy
sqlite:
I want to start off with overkill so I don't outgrow what I'm doing.
I still think that Kivy(RAD) is the one, my instincts are generally right, I've learnt to trust them.
Thanks for the chat and help friend Petrek
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| | Re: Best way to update a fresh SalineOS 1.6 instal
« Reply #9 on May 20, 2012, 8:55pm » | |
The DEBIAN folders are a cheat for building .deb packages the lazy way, and building full Debian litian clean packages for my bash scripts serves users or me no purpose. I have built packages for some of the software in git and added it to a proper apt repository in preparation for 2.0 dev builds. My biggest recommendation is to wait for development builds of 2.0 and try using those. Most of the code up in git will not be added to 1.x builds as a good long testing period is needed before they get used by the masses.
The package kit folder includes an apt url implementation on top of pkcon, I think I did a full post about it on the forum under testing and development. This requires the package packagekit which is not part of Squeeze and by extension SalineOS 1.x. Basically it allows one to click links that look like this:
pkg-kit://filezilla
pkg-kit://filezilla/install
pkg-kit://filezilla/remove
apt://filezllla
apt:filezilla
apt://filezilla?=ubuntu-multiverse
The neat thing is that packagekit url will work on almost any distribution with packagekit available to it. OpenSUSE being the only known exception, but if I care to I can fix the issues OpenSUSE has. (Differences in the pkcon backend for yast is the cause) Written because pkcon has a feature request filed in the bug tracker from long long ago for this and nobody seemed interested, and I am unhappy with aptlinex in Debian. Besides all other apturl like implementations require QT and SalineOS is dedicated to being only GTK applications by default. I have also written Xterm and Zenity versions of it, in case any other distributions/upstream wants to start using it. A kdialog version probably isn't very hard, but not my priority.
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« Reply #10 on May 21, 2012, 12:01am » | |
Sounds like what I've been doing with a root thunar is right then.
I appreciate the folder structure you use in the git folder, very helpful ![[image]](http://smile.lin.me.uk/a-s-clap.gif "[image]")
Quote:| Most of the code up in git will not be added to 1.x builds as a good long testing period is needed before they get used by the masses. |
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They are safe and worth installing then.
I make regular remastersys's and salineos-backups so I give them a lot of use which is good testing and I've not experienced any problems yet. I do like your new screen forms.
Adding the partition size and label makes a huge difference for me and all users.
Arrays are wonderful things.
Quote:I'll carry on with synaptic until I get a copy of SalineOS 2  . Ikey is using package kit as well.
This is what I've been working on
SalineOS-Rescue-desktop
I've hand coded the prototype screen forms so it's time to get a database to do the work.
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« Reply #11 on May 21, 2012, 12:35am » | |
May 20, 2012, 3:10pm, ukbrian wrote:| I'm an illiterate 69 YO |
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Well, I don't force you to iterate anything, computers were made for that I'm almost 33, and big troubles with understanding pictures, for example I understood "2001: A Space Odyssey" only after reading the book And I think "The Alien" book is way better than movie (which for me feels like a comedy rather than horror)  And [self-censorship]
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I know I'll do an animated giff with a 5 sec delay.
I'm interested in folk from windows who have never been near gparted or shrunk win7 installs
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Don't get me wrong, I don't say that you can't make explanation video, but that later I could need some explanation for this video to properly understand it
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I'm thinking that scripts are in effect the cmd line args that a gui passes.
I'm still unsure what these are about so I'm not updating yet.sorry /user/share/applications
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Yes, with few additions, and not everything can be used, ok, /usr/share/applications? Some speed dial?
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sqlite:
I want to start off with overkill so I don't outgrow what I'm doing.
I still think that Kivy(RAD) is the one, my instincts are generally right, I've learnt to trust them.
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That's why I'm thinking that even simple text file as database can be the best solution. You can do with it everything you want, and never outgrow it, you can change it to some database format later, and that can be impossible when you start with something more complicated. It's the *nix way
Quote:| Thanks for the chat and help friend Petrek |
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You're welcome, thanks also
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« Reply #12 on May 21, 2012, 1:11am » | |
Quote:| I understood "2001: A Space Odyssey" only after reading the book And I think "The Alien" book is way better than movie (which for me feels like a comedy rather than horror) And [self-censorship] |
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I agree, I prefered my own imagination when reading a book rather than any producers. I only read the net nowadays and looking to the future and the direction things will go.
Quote:| Don't get me wrong, I don't say that you can't make explanation video, but that later I could need some explanation for this video to properly understand it |
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The more you describe what you prefer the better I'll manage to convey my thoughts, writing takes me a very long time and I'm never really happy with the result even after proof reading it.
Quote:| Yes, with few additions, and not everything can be used, ok, /usr/share/applications? Some speed dial? |
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I don't understand the reference to speed dial?
Quote:| That's why I'm thinking that even simple text file as database can be the best solution. You can do with it everything you want, and never outgrow it, you can change it to some database format later, and that can be impossible when you start with something more complicated. It's the *nix way |
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It's better for me to prototype what I want in something I'm familiar with ie Access and then port it to something else that is cross platform.
I've done the git updates but I'm tired after an all night stint so I might install Kylix and have a look at that before I start using Access.
The other thing I need to do is make a series of videos to show novices how to shrink a win7 install and then how to set up the partitions to install Linux.
I've been putting it off for ages but the time has come and they are needed. 
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« Reply #13 on May 21, 2012, 1:51am » | |
May 21, 2012, 1:11am, ukbrian wrote:| The more you describe what you prefer the better I'll manage to convey my thoughts, writing takes me a very long time and I'm never really happy with the result even after proof reading it. |
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I prefer code, it's the easiest to understand for me, then text, with references to the code itself, then text, and then pictures (of code, preferably )
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I asked if you want to make some speed dial with all these applications.
Quote:| It's better for me to prototype what I want in something I'm familiar with ie Access and then port it to something else that is cross platform. |
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It's not the best way to do it, it will create more problems than it's worth the effort. If you do not feel comfortable with any other database, try to explain your ideas to someone else, who can implement it directly. I don't know what you want to do exactly, so I can't be sure, maybe you're right, and it will work that way, but I don't think so. Still, if you want just prototype, text file will be better than Access.
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I've done the git updates but I'm tired after an all night stint so I might install Kylix and have a look at that before I start using Access.
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Everything is better than Access Maybe you should sleep a little?
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« Reply #14 on May 21, 2012, 3:00am » | |
Quote:| I prefer code, it's the easiest to understand for me, then text, with references to the code itself, then text, and then pictures (of code, preferably ) |
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If I layout all the fields in a flat file database and put some prototype screens together using those fields with some combo boxes, check boxes etc. you will see what I'm trying to achieve.
Those .desktop files are quite a handful with all the languages and the generic bits, a database to manipulate the data and write out the .desktop files is an obvious move. Everything I'm doing with the menus is self contained in one folder so doesn't interfere with the standard menus at all.
I'm going to chase my server friend up shortly to get my forum installed so we can chat in depth with a bit of privacy.
Quote:| I asked if you want to make some speed dial with all these applications. |
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I can do a prototype like the screen dump I posted that is enough for know but a proper speed dial for midori(webkit) will be needed.
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That's why I want to have a quick look at Kylix, I never sleep the following day, I'm usually a bit tired so I just go around tidying things up, or make a video and think about the ground I've covered in a more negative doubtful way looking for problems. I did skip three nights sleep 3 years back, I was very negative for a couple of days.
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