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« Reply #30 on Jan 18, 2012, 10:36am »

Thanks. I thought exactly about that. But with fonts I have different problem, when I set readable size I get this:

Reading forum is like going to and fro, left side, right side, left side, right side, with every new line of text, it's very annoying. When I decrease the size of letters, to level that everything fits on the screen, they are too small to read.

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« Reply #31 on Jan 18, 2012, 11:44am »

I think that's down to the dimensions of the desktop shots posted.
The forum sets to the width of the image posted

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I forgot about is "nautilus-sendto" needed in Saline as it's to integrate into Evolution, it's 1.5 MB
also do you need gedit and mousepad

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #32 on Jan 18, 2012, 12:38pm »

But I have all pictures turned off, as you can see on my screenshot, so it shouldn't behave like that.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #33 on Jan 18, 2012, 12:43pm »

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Gedit and Mousepad serve different enough purposes and both are important to have handy, and for the most part you never open both at the same time. Make no mistake I don't worry about the used hard disk space or the size of the ISO images, I will use as much space as it takes to deliver the best out of the box experience I can. I do however worry about the resources used by applications while they are running, trying to keep as many resources available for what people care about, the applications.

The SalineOS installer will preserve all changes to everything but /home/user (The live user account).

As for the installer and changing languages, I have had my eyes plastered to the yad (Yet another dialog) man page for the last few hours. I have decided to accidentally the whole of salineos_utils (salineos-installer localizesys packagekit-url grub-doctor) into yad. Basically this means I intend to re-write large sections/the entire thing using the yad toolkit, replacing the use of Zenity. It maybe feasible using yad to include country flags for changing the language, if it is I will code it in, I really don't know right now I have only been using it for a few hours. For 2.0 I will put a Change System Language entry into the System menu, and it shouldn't get too cluttered as some of the entries in 1.x won't be in 2.0.

So far these are the plans I have for SalineOS utils.
Use yad for everything.

Consolidate menus such as setting up the user into a single dialog.

Have Magix determine if there is an ATI or Nvidia card during first boot and ask the user if they want to install the proprietary drivers, and remove all the code from the installer.

Make closing the dialog windows using ESC or the Window button do something.

Don't show buttons if they don't do anything.

Use ext4 unless users launch the installer manually with the input ext3, this should inconvenience only a few and simplify things for many. I intend to document this option in the user manual.

Try to be less wordy on the dialogs if at all possible.

When downloading restricted multimedia codecs and optional language packages, use a real progress bar (One that does more than pulsate), thankfully I already have the needed code for this in packagekit-url.

Set all the options first, then present a menu of all options that can be changed to the user with the option to change them. This means all the various options will be re-written into re-usable functions. Also, you can walk away while the installer does its' magic without worrying about giving more input.

Re-write all the code that doesn't conform to bash best practices.

If only one swap partition is found, use it instead of prompting the user. An option to change this will be presented on the final menu.

Remove the creation of a root user entirely, as I will be moving to sudo.

Ping Google to see if the user is connected to the internet, and warn the user that some functions will be disabled. If there is no internet connection, inform the user where the network manager icon is and offer to test the connection again.

I tried changing the window border to something other than black, but every color I set it too just doesn't look right. I like how clean everything looks with only using a few colors, too many makes things look inconsistent and that bothers me. The only color that looks decent is White with black buttons, but this draws attention just as much if not more than black does.

I will look into Nautilus sento, I honestly don't know right now.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #34 on Jan 18, 2012, 12:57pm »

Jan 18, 2012, 12:38pm, petrek wrote:

But I have all pictures turned off, as you can see on my screenshot, so it shouldn't behave like that.

Are you changing system font size or Browser font size? What is your normal screen resolution?

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #35 on Jan 18, 2012, 1:22pm »

I'm changing browser font size. My normal screen resolution is 1280x720.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #36 on Jan 18, 2012, 1:36pm »

Jan 18, 2012, 1:22pm, petrek wrote:

I'm changing browser font size. My normal screen resolution is 1280x720.

Sorry, I don't understand why this is happening either. My usual screen is 1920x1080 and I can change it down to 1280x720 which gives me a wide boarder. I tried both browser and system fonts and I cannot reproduce the need for scrolling side to side. All it does is give me bigger or smaller fonts inside the same frame. Hope someone else can help.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #37 on Jan 18, 2012, 2:50pm »

Thanks. Now I know why I have this problem. I set my custom DPI, and this is causing forum to spread too much. When I'm not logged in I don't have this problem, when I decrease DPI to 96 it also disappears. If you can change your DPI and see if this will happen to you also I would be grateful.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #38 on Jan 18, 2012, 3:51pm »

Jan 18, 2012, 2:50pm, petrek wrote:

Yes, it does. But only when the DPI is up around 126 and I look at the screenshot. Now at 96DPI it looks like this.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #39 on Jan 18, 2012, 4:29pm »

Sorry if it seems I don't like your present installer, I think it's one of the best! just trying to help you make it the very best installer in my inept way.

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I will use as much space as it takes to deliver the best out of the box experience I can. I do however worry about the resources used by applications while they are running

Completely agreed with you, I'll try to be more focused, I think I've been obsessing about the CD size since I done that qt4-fsarchiver ISO, sorry.

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If only one swap partition is found, use it instead of prompting the user. An option to change this will be presented on the final menu.

Yours is the only installer that has asked me whether to share the swap partition or not.

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I tried changing the window border to something other than black, but every color I set it too just doesn't look right. I like how clean everything looks with only using a few colors, too many makes things look inconsistent and that bothers me. The only color that looks decent is White with black buttons, but this draws attention just as much if not more than black does.

I think with colors it's very difficult to satisfy everyone, possibly make it very simple to find where/how to change them.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #40 on Jan 18, 2012, 5:37pm »

Thanks. My screen is around 148 DPI, and the problem shows mostly on page 2 of this topic, even if I turn pictures off in the forum and browser settings.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #41 on Jan 18, 2012, 11:06pm »

There are many ways to change the window border, modify the /usr/share/themes/theme-name/gtkrc file with the color codes (The method I used), modify the window manager theme to use different colors, change the theme entirely and finally you could change just the Xfwm theme. Changing the Xfwm theme is fairly easy already, Xfce4-Settings-Manager > Window Manager and it opens right up to the style (theme) tab. Note that some themes use the system theme to set the colors used and just change the style, while others define their own colors, ignoring the gtkrc file.

Tony Brejeski, the developer of Remastersys, pointed out YAD and some of the things it could do well over 6 months ago, stating that he would be moving to it for the Remastersys Installer. I wasn't all too excited about a toolkit that exists outside Debian on Google code only, until I looked into using it for 2.x. Yad makes many more things feasible to do using dialog windows, like taking multiple inputs at once, this was impossible with Zenity. It also allows the use of custom buttons and an almost arbitrary number of buttons. He really was correct in that it is everything that Zenity should have been but never was. The decision to re-write the installer comes down to mostly yad being really really good, and me being annoyed with some of the bad practices used when the original Remastersys installer was written. Basically it needs one and it is a good opportunity to do things right.

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #42 on Jan 19, 2012, 1:47am »

Is it possible to have other option with swap as a file on root partition?

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #43 on Jan 19, 2012, 7:44am »

It is possible yes, but I don't think it is needed or a good idea. I am attempting to simplify the installation process as much as I can currently, and adding this option complicates things quite a bit. And, from a development and testing standpoint, it is just one more thing I have to make sure works. Lets be honest here, how many people would actually use it?

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Re: Lets talk 2.0
« Reply #44 on Jan 19, 2012, 8:02am »

I think it would simplify installation for novice users, if make it the default option, with checkbox to set non default installation at the beginning. At least now GParted starts before any information about swap comes out. So it is possible that someone will not create swap partition at all (not many people actually read manuals to know what they need to do, setting swap is not obvious thing). I'm sure we could be of some help with testing

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