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« Thread Started on Apr 5, 2012, 12:56am » | |
All throughout the 1.x series, I have found packages to add and remove from the default images. This forum post will serve as my official include/exclude list of packages for the 2.x series. Feel encouraged to add suggestions in this thread for packages that should be added or removed, please include a quick explanation as to why. This list is a work in progress, right up to the release of 2.0. This is in fact a blatant attempt to crowd source the package list for 2.x 
Packages to Include:
system-config-printer
libsdl-mixer1.2
libsdl-1.2debian-alsa
exaile
fotoxx
xfburn
parole
osmo
icedove
pidgin
pidgin-microblog
pidgin-themes
pidgin-privacy-please
pidgin-facebookchat
pidgin-plugin-pack
galculator
xfce4-dict
catfish
ristretto
gimp
gimp-plugin-registry
gimp-gutenprint
evince
libreoffice
libreoffice-help-en-us
libreoffice-gtk
ure
uno-libs3
unoconv
libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-impress
libreoffice-math
gnome-packagekit
myspell-en-us
deluge
libopenal1
xserver-xorg-input-joystick
cheese
pm-utils
kvm
imagemagick
nrg2iso
dmg2img
ccd2iso
mdf2iso
libsdl-mixer1.2
cups-pdf
hplip-cups
bluez-cups
openjdk-7-jre
openjdk-7-jre-headless
icedtea-7-plugin
libsane-extras
xsane
hplip
httping
curl
ntp
xfce4-volumed
thunar-volman
gtkhash
fuseiso
apt-file
Packages to be hosted on the SalineOS repository:
yad
midori
midori-web-application-plugin
sos-firewall
grub-doctor
salineos-system-utilities
salineos-user-manual
salineos-backup
salineos-custom-actions
localizesys
salineos-installer
packagekit-url
clean
simple-icon-theme *To be renamed
salty-ice-theme
procurator
saline-get
magix-driver-installer
Packages to Exclude:
apt-listchanges
ex-falso
gedit
baobab
telnet
nautilus
ssh
yelp
vlc
transmission
gigolo
xscreensaver
gnome-utils-common
epdfview
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« Reply #1 on Apr 5, 2012, 1:30am » | |
I'm not sure how more recent version of parole is behaving, but the current one has big troubles with playing DVD's, that's why I think removing vlc is not the best idea.
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« Reply #2 on Apr 5, 2012, 1:49am » | |
Could you be more specific on what "big troubles" means? I use Parole to play DVD's all the time and have had nothing but flawless performance. In the end, Parole is simply a GUI frontend to GStreamer.
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« Reply #3 on Apr 5, 2012, 2:47am » | |
This means that when I try to play DVD, it starts, turns into a slideshow, and then hangs. When I use VLC (or Kaffeine, but you need a half of internet to install it  ) everything is ok.
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« Reply #4 on Apr 5, 2012, 10:02am » | |
I went from Firefox to Iceweasel when firefox went crazy with constant upgrades but I have now settled on the corporate Extended Support Release (ESR) version http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html I unzip it on my data partition and use it and my profiles on all the OS's I install, I even use the same profile when in windows.
While I agree that Midori is the future of Mozilla it lacks the extensions that Firefox has particularly Speed Dial.
I always remove any Office app as they consume a lot of space and I have no use for them, also gimp.
I think the installer should give you a base install and then a first run app offer you the choice of which common apps to install, or you accept a default install.
I think this would be a big help to those with low bandwidth.
I don't really care, I just love Saline.
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« Reply #5 on Apr 5, 2012, 10:57am » | |
A first-run seems handy --pick and choose-- so everyone gets what they desire.
Automated installrestrictedmedia.
Are there any legality problems with including a link to a first-run?
Apps I always add from debian:
conky
geeqie (since ristretto can't print)
geany
htop mc sux moc testdisk fsarchiver smartmontools
Apps I always add from debian-multimedia: (# installrestrictedmedia)
Acroread
mplayer mencoder
Apps I add from their website:
Dropbox (very handy for traveling)
LibreOffice (remove installed and install latest stable)
Chrome (a personal preference)
DoubleCmd (TotCmdr/Krusader without Kde, use Lucid version for now, deb needed)
smxi (from http://smxi.org/ debian maintenance script for the lazy and forgetful)
Things I remove from SalineOS 1.6:
pidgin
icedove
ristretto
libreoffice (to replace with current stable from site)
xchat
chromium
...and some other personal choices.
Note: There are lots of included apps that I can not remember ever running or using regularly. But that doesn't mean they aren't useful. Just not yet.
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« Reply #6 on Apr 5, 2012, 10:58am » | |
I'm pretty sure the latest Midori has speed dial ( on Bodhi).
Puppy has a neat little app that I can't locate. Good for conversions. gmeasure, I think it's called. Good for us furriners ;-) I'd love to see it.
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« Reply #7 on Apr 5, 2012, 2:34pm » | |
Midori has built in extensions you can enable through the preferences menu, and speed dial functionality is baked in, no extension needed. It has extensions available for user addons, web cache, toolbar editor, statusbar features, statusbar clock, keyboard shortcuts, feed panel (Atom and RSS), history list, copy adresses of tabs, cookie manager, form history, vertical tabs and colorful tabs.
Midori is a stand alone project, written in C and vala, using the Xfce graphical libraries. There are several reasons to ship Midori on 2.x, it is very light, its code base is so well done and sensible even I can work with it (With very little C knowledge and absolutely no vala experience), packing upstream Midori releases and hosting them is straight forward (Unlike just about every browser known to man), it has a very well done configuration setup (See the Midori web apps plugin), it scales to very small screens REALLY well, extensions are built in and open source, support for user scripts, built in speed dial is nicer than any other speed dial I have seen, side panel allows access to history, bookmarks and transfers in a very clean way and finally it passes the acid3 tests and supports HTML5 video.
The biggest fault in Midori that I can see, is the lack of sandboxing flash. Flash crashes bring down the whole browser. But, flash seems to crash a whole lot less than it does on Chromium, so there is that.
That being said, I will be making installing Chrome easier, and including the Mozilla backports repository in SalineOS 2.x.
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« Reply #8 on Apr 5, 2012, 3:31pm » | |
Sorry I assume that folk have seen me using Josep Del Rio's Firefox Speed Dial.
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« Reply #9 on Apr 5, 2012, 4:36pm » | |
This is a video I made in may 2010 which might explain it better than my words
but basically Opera broke ground when they developed their Speed Dial which every browser has copied, ie it became a standard feature but it was one page/tab.
Josep took the concept to the next level by introducing tabs so I have a grid of 7x6 = 42 multiplied by 22 tabs = 924 dials
that I can drag n drop from one tab to any other, a totaly different dimension.
He made one mistake, he only indexed on the dial number when he should have indexed on the tab and dial number.
It was written for the Geko engine so needs to be rewritten for webkit and I'd like another index field so you can switch between pages with different tabs 924 dials x ?.
This is a video I made in may 2010 which might explain it better than my words
but basically Opera broke ground when they developed their Speed Dial which every browser has copied, ie it became a standard feature but it was one page/tab.
Josep took the concept to the next level by introducing tabs so I have a grid of 7x6 = 42 multiplied by 22 tabs = 924 dials
that I can drag n drop from one tab to any other, a totaly different dimension.
He made one mistake, he only indexed on the dial number when he should have indexed on the tab and dial number.
It was written for the Geko engine so needs to be rewritten for webkit and I'd like another index field so you can switch between pages with different tabs.
This is a video I made in may 2010 which might explain it better than my words
but basically Opera broke ground when they developed their Speed Dial which every browser has copied, ie it became a standard feature but it was one page/tab.
Josep took the concept to the next level by introducing tabs so I have a grid of 7x6 = 42 multiplied by 22 tabs = 924 dials
that I can drag n drop from one tab to any other, a totaly different dimension.
He made one mistake, he only indexed on the dial number when he should have indexed on the tab and dial number.
It was written for the Geko engine so needs to be rewritten for webkit and I'd like another index field so you can switch between pages with different tabs.
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Configuring Speed Dial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxK9wJSDjdw
I've been wanting to do a new video for ages now that I can record in HD and my skills have improved with Openshot but I do need time to think my strange thoughts.
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Flash is dying and will not be relavent shortly.
I want to do a shell using Josep's speed dial's methods, it will make a beautifull touch screen/mouse interface.
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« Reply #10 on Apr 5, 2012, 4:49pm » | |
I want a touch screen.
My wrist hurts when I lift stuff.
Anybody else have that syndrome?
I'm learning Morse code from Gmail's April fool.
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« Reply #11 on Apr 5, 2012, 9:47pm » | |
I'd like to see ntp as part of the standard SalineOS.
I'd also have to say that one of the first things I do is remove parole - it loads my laptop very heavily, kicks the CPU into runnig at maximum, so I install VLC and dump it. VLC barely loads the system at all, and provides much better video playback.
Removing gigolo may also be a bit of a problem. At the moment, the Debian XFCE 4.8 has a major bug in its network handling throug thunar. Last version I checked still has the problem, even though its had a bug against it for quite a while.
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« Reply #12 on Apr 5, 2012, 10:59pm » | |
Removing Gigolo by the time SalineOS 2.0 comes around shouldn't be a problem. Xfce is moving on to version 4.10 before the end of the month. I added ntp to the list, as it was always planned for inclusion, I just forgot to add it.
I will keep an eye on Parole, but I am hesitant to ship VLC since it requires QT.
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« Reply #13 on Apr 6, 2012, 9:27am » | |
Apr 5, 2012, 10:59pm, Anthony Nordquist wrote:| Removing Gigolo by the time SalineOS 2.0 comes around shouldn't be a problem. Xfce is moving on to version 4.10 before the end of the month. I added ntp to the list, as it was always planned for inclusion, I just forgot to add it. |
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I hope they sort it out, though it seems to be a Debian specific bug. I've run Xfce 4.8 in a couple of other distros, which don't have the problem that Debian has.
Glad about ntp - I've had to use date a few times, but I can never remember the syntax for setting time and date with it, always have to look it up...
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I'm not sure I'd suggest VLC. It has a pretty heavy load of dependencies. I don't know whether mplayer might be a better option. I'll have to check - I've got parole installed under Salix, haven't tried DVD playback using it, so I don't know whether the heavy CPU load I'm seeing under Saline is general or a specific problem with Saline.
Paul.
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« Reply #14 on Apr 6, 2012, 2:26pm » | |
Apr 6, 2012, 9:27am, toothandnail wrote:
Apr 5, 2012, 10:59pm, Anthony Nordquist wrote:| Removing Gigolo by the time SalineOS 2.0 comes around shouldn't be a problem. Xfce is moving on to version 4.10 before the end of the month. I added ntp to the list, as it was always planned for inclusion, I just forgot to add it. |
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I hope they sort it out, though it seems to be a Debian specific bug. I've run Xfce 4.8 in a couple of other distros, which don't have the problem that Debian has.
Glad about ntp - I've had to use date a few times, but I can never remember the syntax for setting time and date with it, always have to look it up...
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I'm not sure I'd suggest VLC. It has a pretty heavy load of dependencies. I don't know whether mplayer might be a better option. I'll have to check - I've got parole installed under Salix, haven't tried DVD playback using it, so I don't know whether the heavy CPU load I'm seeing under Saline is general or a specific problem with Saline.
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Perhaps try running this command as your normal user: parole --xv TRUE
On SalineOS xv support is disabled in Parole by default, a long long time ago, it was discovered that xv don't work inside virtual box or with some video chipsets. Instead of automatically turning it off, Parole just slapped a non-descriptive error in the users face. If you look back to sometime in the winter of 2010 you will find a Debian bug I filed about this annoying occurrence. I believe it ended up forwarded to upstream as a feature request, to detect whether xv is supported and to fallback gracefully. I have a feeling that either, upstream took care of this in newer releases, or the other distributions are shipping xv enabled and allowing it to error out to a certain percentage of users.
I am very interested to know if enabling xv helps solve your parole issue. Mplayer or Xine might not be the worse thing in the world to use, but any option I use is going to be more dependency heavy than Parole. Parole uses gstreamer, which is already required by SalineOS.
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